Westinghouse vs. New York Air Brake on N&W ?

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Most railroads were either 100% Wabco, 100% NYAB or split 50-50. The N&W was 
100% Wabco up until the early 1960s when they began to split the business.

Dick Fisher
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>   1. RE: Line-and-Shaft vs. Electric Motors (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)

>   2. RE: Line-and-Shaft vs. Electric Motors (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)

>   3. Ticket  watermark on Shepherdstown station web pages

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> Message: 1

> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:56 -0400

> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

> Subject: RE: Line-and-Shaft vs. Electric Motors

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> It's very rare now, but there are still some 25 hertz systems around in 

> papermills.  Some of these plants were built in the late 1800's and are 

> still using turbine-generators that were installed in the 1920's and 30's. 

> A papermill powerplant might have 6 or more of these units.  They don't 

> upgrade all at once, but retire the older units in sequence as they 

> install new ones.  These days, not too many mills are upgrading, so the 

> old equipment hangs on longer.  There were a lot of these old turbines in 

> the Carolinas in the 1980's, in textile and papermills, but a lot of these 

> plants are now closed.  We had one papermill still driving a paper machine 

> with a twin cylinder steam engine in the early 80's, but they retired that 

> paper machine around 1985.  That same mill originally had steam engines 

> driving the generators (they have pictures).  You can go in the basement 

> and see where they chipped down the old steam engine foundations and 

> poured new foundations on top of them for the

>  turbines they installed in the 1920's.

>

> John Simmons

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> Subject: Re: Line-and-Shaft vs. Electric Motors

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>

> The following comment may be of interest.  It's from the chief electrical 

> engineer on one of the major Northeastern railroads which runs catenary:

>

>>>

> The change from the old way resulted in the establishment of two

> frequencies for AC power in this country. There was a lighting

> frequency-which had to be relatively high, and an industrial frequency

> that had to be relatively low. Using a low frequency for lighting

> resulted in annoying flicker and stoboscopic effects, while using a high

> frequency resulted in gear train installations to try to match the low

> rpm machinery.

>

> Early industrial frequencies were in the range of 15 to 16 2/3 hertz,

> and when the Niagara Falls hydro plant was built, a frequency of 25

> cycles was decided upon as one could build 300 rpm motors and that would

> match the steam driven machinery.

>

> That relic of the old steam driven plants resulted in many major

> plants, shipyards, and railroads using single, two phase and three phase

> 25 Hertz until the rapid deindustrialization rendered this frequency

> obsolete by the 1960's.

> <<

>

> Oh, and by the way...  I used the wrong term.  The old machinery was not 

> called "line-and-shaft," but rather "lineshaft."  I learn something new 

> every day.

>

> -- abram burnett

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> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:55 -0400

> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

> Subject: RE: Line-and-Shaft vs. Electric Motors

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> Back in the 80's I was in an old machine shop in Wilmington NC that had a 

> line and shaft system powered by an electric motor.  I don't know what 

> they used before that.

>

> In Rockingham NC there is the remains of an old textile mill that was 

> powered by a small horizontal water turbine driving a line shaft.  This 

> was on a small creek, with a low head brick dam and a penstock to the 

> turbine, which was outside the mill.  The lineshaft ran into the basement 

> through the wall.  There isn't enough left now to tell any more than that. 

> I have slides somewhere.

>

> John Simmons

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>

> I believe that a lot of line shaft systems survived by having their

> steam engines replaced by large electric motors.

>

> pete groom

>

> On Apr 20, 2006, at 7:13 AM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote:

>

> Since we are now blessed with "East End Shop" representation on the

> List, perhaps someone has information on the following topoc.

>

> I've been wondering when Roanoke Machine Works/East End Shops made

> the transition from "line-and-shaft" power to electric motor power

> for the operation of its machinery.

>

> By "line-and-shaft" I mean the old system of powering machinery in

> the days before electric motors.  In the line-and-shaft method, power

> is distributed through a building from a stationary steam engine

> through a system of rotating rods, gears and flywheels suspended from

> the roof trusses.  Individual machines are connected to this

> constantly rotating system by a leather belt, which belt may be

> engaged or disengaged from a flywheel on the line-and-shaft by use of

> a hand clutch lever.  Line-and-shaft systems were maintained by a

> craft called "millwrights."

>

> Can you imagine trying to bore a large diameter hole or run a milling

> machine using this old system?

>

> The only line-and-shaft I know of that's still in existence is in the

> old East Broad Top RR shop at Orbisonia, Pa., but, of course, it

> hasn't operated in years.

>

> I've always nwondered about when the transition to electric motors

> for shop machinery took place, as my own great-grandfather was a

> machinist at Roanoke Machine Works from about 1882 to 1934.

>

> Has anyone seen any documentation on this major change in the way of

> doing things?

>

> -- abram burnett

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> Message: 3

> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:24:56 -0700 (PDT)

> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

> Subject: Ticket  watermark on Shepherdstown station web pages

> To: Johnna <johnna at biztechsource.com>

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> From: Frank Scheer [mailto:f_scheer at yahoo.com]

> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:41 PM

> To: Johnna Armstrong

> Subject: Watermark of ticket on Shepherdstown station

> web pages

>

> April 20, 2006

>

> Hello, Johnna:

>

> The last time we corresponded, it was regarding signal

> monitoring.  I understand a monitoring point was set

> up closer to Hagerstown that is supposed to also pick

> up Shepherdstown radio transmissions.  You and Paul

> are welcome to still view train movements using the

> already-established Internet feeds.

>

> What I want to ask today is whether I can get a .jpg

> file of the "Shepherdstown to Shenandoah Junction"

> card ticket that is used as a watermark on web pages.

> Also, is this the only ticket you all have seen?  I'd

> like to get full-size or larger scans of others.  I've

> recently bought a card ticket case for display at

> Boyce and want to make up some tickets to go into it.

>

> I'm also wondering if during the research about the

> station's history, if you've seen anything that

> mentions when the waiting rooms were desegregated.  So

> far, I haven't found anything on this topic.

>

> Thanks for your help, as always!  Have a nice Spring,

>

> Frank

>

>

> From: "Johnna" <johnna at biztechsource.com>

> To: "'Frank Scheer'" <f_scheer at yahoo.com>

> Subject: RE: Watermark of ticket on Shepherdstown

> station web pages

> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:03:58 -0400

>

> Hi Frank,

>

> Nice to hear from you. I wish I could tell you I have

> a copy of the ticket we used, but I don't. I scanned a

> copy of the brochure we had for the dedication of the

> Station a few years ago. That had a rough image of a

> ticket on it and that's what I used to make the ticket

> watermark image.

>

> I've been wanting to obtain a ticket (or ten) as well;

> for a while, I was trawling E-Bay, but I haven't had

> time in a while. What about the

> Norfolk & Western Historical Society? Maybe they have

> something?

>

> Sorry I can't be more help,

> Johnna

>

>

> April 25, 2006

>

> Hello, Johnna:

>

> The last time I checked with N&W HS members and the

> Society's Archives, it doesn't seem that any other

> examples of card or coupon ticket stock exist.  All

> I've seen on eBay are the three-part seat checks used

> on passenger trains which sellers are confusing with

> "tickets."  Can you find the person who created the

> dedication brochure and ask from where they borrowed

> the "Shepherdstown to Shenandoah Junction" ticket?  It

> must be locally-owned, assuming it still exists.

>

> Thanks for your help and best wishes for a nice

> Spring!

>

> Frank

> f_scheer at yahoo.com

>

>

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> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:28:50 +0000

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> Subject: Westinghouse vs. New York Air Brake on N&W ?

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> Anyone know about the N&W's principles and practices in regard to 

> purchasing from the two air brake suppliers, Westinghouse and New York Air 

> Brake?

>

> Since both companies (in later years) manufactured identical valves for 

> both engines and cars, most roads probably bought from both companies.

>

> What did the N&W do?

>

> -- abram burnett

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> Subject: Re: Refurbished

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> The painting of signals is a thing of the past. The position light signals 

> are so far gone it would be

>

> a waste of resources to paint them and would not add any service life. 

> Just look Pretty for railfans.

>

> The Maintainers that I know say they will be glad when they're all gone. 

> They have had a good life.

>

> But they all leak and suffer from internal corrosion So many EPA rules 

> about paint and lead that the

>

> railroads don't even paint some bridges Finding it cheaper to replace the 

> girders than pay for all the

>

> environmentally clean up that comes with sandblasting and painting.

>

>

>

> Larry Evans

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> Kenova WV

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