Raleigh, Ohio

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Dave and Cal:

 

Yes there is an old troop sleeper at the NC Transportation Museum.   It
was used at one time for the use of our volunteers who wished a place to
stay when they came to work an Event weekend or just spend several days
in the shop.  We use an N&W caboose now for those interested in staying
overnight.

 

It was used as an MOW car as I checked it out just this afternoon when I
was at the museum.  Part still has the bunks but the other half was used
for storage and/or work area as the bunks on one end were taken out to
be replaced with some small work surfaces and shelves along part of the
wall.  It is a car that we will look to cosmetically restore some time
in the future.

 

Larry Neal is the person to contact for more history on the car.

 

Have a great week.

 

George Weber

VP Rail Operations, Car Department

 

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Dave I am told the troop sleeper at NC Transportation Museum came from
the old Norfolk Southern and it had been in MOW service. It has been
fixed up and is used by volunteers who need to overnight at the museum.
Perhaps Larry Neal at the museum can give you more details on the car
and their history. Cal Reynolds.

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Cal,

 

Thanks, I have the CYC issue you're talking about.

 

I agree, it is indeed a good one.

 

What interests me is what happened to the cars after the government
declared them surplus and sold them at auction. 

 

Specifically, the railroads that converted them to express service by
plating over the windows, sometimes removing the roof and side vents,
removing the canvas diaphragms and buffers, sealing the end doors,
fitting them with ice bunkers and express reefer goodies, eventually
changing out the trucks, etc, etc. are my real interest.

 

The (old) Norfolk Southern, Harry Bundy's alma mater, was one such
railroad.

 

Because the NS express troopers didn't seem to get interchanged offline
(they don't even appear in the Official Register of Passenger Train
Equipment-and I have most issues), there isn't a lot written about them
and, of course, they weren't widely photographed. That's why Harry's
comment about NS passenger trains immediately got my attention.

 

Thanks for your interest and my best regards,

 

Dave Lambert

 


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Dave: Railroad Prototype Cyclopedia several issues back did a series on
the troop sleepers and kitchen cars, quite good, lots of info. When I go
home tonite I'll try to remember to look up the issue for you. Cal
Reynolds

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Harry,

 

Thanks for the information.

 

I have seen the Spencer trooper. If it were a former NS express car, the
folks at Spencer must have removed the steel sheets that covered the
windows while in express service because it looks much like it must have
looked during wartime service.

 

How many were there? (I thought I had heard three.) Do you have any
recollection of the car numbers and their livery? Coach green/Dulux gold
lettering?

 

Thanks again, I always enjoy hearing from you.

 

Best regards,

 

Dave Lambert

 


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Dave:

In case you didn't know, one of the NS troop sleepers is preserved

at the NC Museum of Transportation in Spencer.

 

As far as I know, the express cars were not interchanged --

WHILE IN PASSENGER SERVICE.  Hauled in Nos. 1 and 2,

they  terminated in Berkley at one end and at Glenwood Yard at

the other.  At one time, they MAY have moved into Raleigh

Union Station.   Some were converted into camp cars and

one was assigned to the Raleigh wreck cars - NS 900 (derrick),

a heavy weight Pullman, and a wheel car.  So  I've been told,

the Raleigh wreck cars spent more time on the SAL than they

did on NS, so the troop sleepers did go off-line.   In one instance,

Southern was detouring their traffic around the washed away Tye

River bridge and operated Greensboro-Raleigh on the "H" line, then

SAL-RF&P to Washington.  There was a derailment on the "H" line

and the Raleigh wreck cars went to the Southern.  At that point,

Southern was considering detours on the NS - Charlotte to Raleigh,

but I guess they didn't care to play "Jeopardy".

 

Ironically, NS 900 survived the N&W/Sou merger.  It came to Roanoke

Shops and exchanged booms with another derrick, then was

reassigned to the Tennessee Division .

                                                Harry Bundy

 


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