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The Crewe roundhouse lasted until the end of the steam era. It was
demolished circa 1961-62.  The water tank (now owned by the town) will lose
its 611 mural with the next painting of the tank.  The company doing the
painting wanted $5000.00 to put the mural back on.

Bill Mason 
   

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   1. Re: N&W Roundhouses? (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
   2. Re: N&W Roundhouses? (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
   3. Re: colors of MOW equipment in 1920's? (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
   4. Re: N&W Roundhouses? (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
   5. Re: N&W Roundhouses? (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
   6. Re: Where were A,J and Y classes scrapped?
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:59:32 -0500
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East End car shop roundhouse is still standing in Roanoke. Now used, I 
think, for vehicle repairs, last used for business car repairs before 
that.

Both lubritoriums at Shaffers Crossing are gone, victims of the 1990s 
modernization.

Ken Miller
On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:46 PM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote:


> Last time I was there, the Bristol roundhouse is still standing.  It 

> is being used by another industry, but it's still there.

>  

> EdKing

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>> Hello, Is the Williamson,WV roundhouse the only roundhouse standing 

>> on the N&W. When was each one toredown? Also are all the Engine 

>> Service House(Lubeatoriums) ike in Williamson,built in the late 

>> 1940's still standing? Thanks in advance,

>>

>> Matthew B. Madden 

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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:06:06 -0500
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Matthew -

The "Lubritorium" in Williamson was still standing during my last visit in
August 2005.  Also the one in Bluefield is in operation 24 hours a day.
Some of the roundhouses that I know either did exist or still do are as
follows.........

Shaffer's Crossing - Roanoke, VA
Still used by NS

East End Shops - Roanoke, VA
Still used by NS

Lambert's Point - Norfolk, VA
Existed at least into the early 1970's based on photos I have seen.  The
turntable is still in use.

Crewe, VA
Can't say for sure, but was most likely was torn down in the late 1950's
when the steam era came to a close.  The old machine shop is used by NS and
the water tank has N&W 611 painted on the side.

Shenandoah, VA
This was demolished as soon as steam ceased on the N&W.

Bluefield, WV
I would have to say another victim of the steam era.  All the 1970's era
photos I've seen of the area do not show the roundhouse standing.  

Radford, VA
?????

Jeff Hawkins
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  Hello, Is the Williamson,WV roundhouse the only roundhouse standing on the
N&W. When was each one toredown? Also are all the Engine Service
House(Lubeatoriums) ike in Williamson,built in the late 1940's still
standing? Thanks in advance,

  Matthew B. Madden 
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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:13:42 -0600
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MofW cars in the 1920's appear to have been painted about the same as in
the 1940's. House cars had a light body and dark roofs. In the 1940's,
the colors were cream and brown. Lettering was black. It is possible
that in the 1020's the bodies could have been a light gray, but I have
no documentation for this. Other cars, such as flats and water tenders
were black with white lettering, and this was standard for many years.
The two custom built "stores" cars had a dark body when new, and I have
no idea what color they were. But you can bet that the lettering was
white.  Jim Nichols

nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote:


>What were the colors of N&W MOW equipment in the 1920's? The Virginia Tech

imagebase has a few b&w pics of Norfolk & Western MOW cars which I believe
were taken in the 20's or 30's and they appear black with white lettering.
Anybody know for sure?

>Thanks,

>Dave Grigsby

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:27:02 -0800 (PST)
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Shaffer's crossing?  I thought the only thing left of it was the turntable.
   
  Don't forget Bristol.  Its still there, but the pit has been filled in and
it is no longer owned by the railroad.  I think a concrete company owns it
now.
  Ben Blevins
  

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          Matthew -
   
  The "Lubritorium" in Williamson was still standing during my last visit in
August 2005.  Also the one in Bluefield is in operation 24 hours a day.
Some of the roundhouses that I know either did exist or still do are as
follows.........
   
  Shaffer's Crossing - Roanoke, VA
  Still used by NS
   
  East End Shops - Roanoke, VA
  Still used by NS
   
  Lambert's Point - Norfolk, VA
  Existed at least into the early 1970's based on photos I have seen.  The
turntable is still in use.
   
  Crewe, VA
  Can't say for sure, but was most likely was torn down in the late 1950's
when the steam era came to a close.  The old machine shop is used by NS and
the water tank has N&W 611 painted on the side.
   
  Shenandoah, VA
  This was demolished as soon as steam ceased on the N&W.
   
  Bluefield, WV
  I would have to say another victim of the steam era.  All the 1970's era
photos I've seen of the area do not show the roundhouse standing.  
   
  Radford, VA
?????
   
  Jeff Hawkins
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    Hello, Is the Williamson,WV roundhouse the only roundhouse standing on
the N&W. When was each one toredown? Also are all the Engine Service
House(Lubeatoriums) ike in Williamson,built in the late 1940's still
standing? Thanks in advance,
  Matthew B. Madden 


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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:40:19 EST
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In a message dated 1/22/2006 11:16:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:

"Shaffer's Crossing - Roanoke, VA
Still used by NS"
 
The roundhouse at Shaffer's has long been gone.
Jimmy Lisle



 
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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:04:25 -0500
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Subject: Re: Where were A,J and Y classes scrapped?
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I can add a little information to what Ken said about the two Y6's at the 
United Scrap Iron. The two were Y6 2143 and Y6b 2174. I went to the scrap 
yard in late 1975 and climbed all over them. The 2143 had no tender, while 
2174 did. While I was overseas, I received a Roanoke Times paper clipping 
dated February 20, 1976 about them being cut up for scrap. The article has 
pictures showing the 2174 and tender being cut up. These were the last Y6 
and Y6b in existence.

Bud Jeffries

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In answer to your first question, I have photos of stored steam at
Bluefield, Williamson and Kenova and possibly others that I just don't
recall.

Steam locomotives were stored in a lot of places waiting for the
scrappers, since so much was dumped on the market at once, the scappers
had a lot to cut, and only so many people and places to store those
locos. Many were quickly sold as the price of scrap was high in 1960,
but may have lingered on the property for a time until they could be
accepted at the scrap yards.

Locomotives were stored at Roanoke, Bluefield, Williamson, Kenova and
Portsmouth that I know of for sure, I suspect that most every larger
terminal had at least some power stored, perhaps short of Shenandoah,
Winston-Salem or Durham since they were early diesel spots.

When the last ones were scrapped is difficult to answer, the N&W
records only reflect a sale date, not the actual cutting date or dates.
Many were cut fairly quickly, again the price was high, some lingered
around for years. Such as the locomotives still in the yard of Virginia
Scrap and Iron, sold 1950. Class A locomotive that were sold as standby
boilers for Union Carbide in Charleston, West Virginia, 1218 was
assembled from the best of those, the others cut up in 1964. The two Ys
in Roanoke owned by United Scrap Iron, 2189 and 2143, if I recall
correctly, sat stored at Shaffers Crossing until about 1970, sold 1960,
moved to United scrap and finally cut about 1973.

Most of the As for example were removed from the roster and sold in
1958 and 1959, but for some reason, 1214 was not sold until April of
1961, even though it had been retired at Shaffers Crossing on August
25, 1959.

One must remember that the last steam removed from the roster was
September 1960, none under steam past the famous May date, but kept on
hand until the railroad was positive they had enough diesels to do the
job.

Ken Miller

On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:40 PM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote:


>

>

> Thanks,very helpful. I would hate to see it, but does anyone have photos 

> of the string of dead steamers? Also after they were retired, in general 

> where did the locomotives sit? I have saw photos of J's dead in Bluefield?



> And how long was before he last A,J,K or Y was scrapped? Maybe late mid 

> 1960"s? Again Thanks

>

> Matthew B. Madden

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