Need help with 1912 time table question

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The end points of the Pullmans handled by Shenandoah Division Trains 1 and 2 have changed throught the years.  Unfortunately, the collection of public timetables in our archives is sparse (hint, hint, if anyone has any to donate to the archives, it would help).  But, using what few PTTs that are in the archives, along with some personal resources reveals the following Pullman end points:

June 1915        New York - Winston-Salem
                       Philadelphia - Gary
Oct. 1926        New York - Gary
                       Philadelphia - Roanoke
Jan. 1930        New York - Williamson
                       Philadelphia - Roanoke
Dec. 1938        New York - Bluefield
Sep. 1947        New York - Roanoke

Of course, these scattered records do not indicate when the changes were made.

The archives does have a good collection of employee timetables, but these do not give the equipment on passenger trains.   Nevertheless, the May 15, 1910, ETTs for Shenandoah, Radford and Pocahontas Divisions show train No. 1 operated then from Hagerstown to Gary.  On the return, however, train No. 2 originated in Williamson, and train No. 152 from Gary was the connection to Train No. 2 at Welch.  Train No. 152 left Filbert at 8:06 AM and Gary at 8:33 AM.  Train No. 2 left Welch at 9:25 AM.

Gordon Hamilton
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  Tug Fork Time Table for 1910 shows Train No. 1 arriving at Gary, WV at 6PM but lists no departure time.  It also shows Train No. 18 leaving Gary at 4:10AM but htere is no arrival time.  I am assuming that Train No. 1 was Pullman service from New York and train No. 18 was the return trip.

  An advertisement in 1912 shows Train No.1 from New York to Gary departing Welch at 4PM. it also shows Train No. 2 from Gary to New York leaving Welch at 12:20PM
  Train No. 18 to Lynchburg leving Welch at 4:43 am.

  In later years Train No. 1 would leave Welch, go to Gary and then leave Gary and go to Williamson.  Train No. 2 would leave Williamson, go to Gary and from Gary to Welch and on to New York.

  Can anyone clear up the mystery of the 1910 TT (May 15, 1920) of where is Train No. 2? and did Train No. 1 leave Gary and go to Williamson.

  I don't have a 1910 or 1912 TT.  Just a copy of Tug Fork in 1910 and an advertisement in 1912. 

  Any help appreciated.

  Alex Schust


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